deaf Life: Blazing New Trails

  • A DOD-HOH adult knows a combination of Simcom, ASL, and spoken English to use whichever communication works best in a given situation in her life.
  • DOD deaf parents with deaf kids who have cochlear implants.
  • A DOD native ASL user has wondered if his deaf parents ever considered that he learn spoken English as a child for his hearing loss is not severe or profound.
  • Several DOD native ASL users express that they are uncomfortable with the “standard keeper” status, that such status elevation places an unnecessary burden of having to live up to certain expectations on them and their DOD families.
  • A seventh generation DOD calls on the lack of transparency on the political aims of a grassroots deaf organization headed by native and fluent ASL users.
  • A born profoundly deaf, non-DOD native ASL user deplores the cronyism and elitism practiced among some DOD circles and continues to communicate with deaf people whose ASL was not as fluent during the 2006 Fernandes protest at Gallaudet.
  • Several deaf people born to hearing parents and who grew up in oral programs and learned ASL at a later age report bullying by their Deaf peers either in the deaf schools they were transferred to or at Gallaudet or NTID/RID as college students.
  • Several deaf people born to hearing parents and learned to use ASL fluently report that some DOD native ASL users continue to disparage them, despite the fact they’ve embraced Deaf culture.
  • A late-deafened adult who wears hearing aids and has been learning ASL for some time reports that resources for learning ASL aren’t coming from the deaf community itself, and that college courses that teach ASL are primarily for “interpreters” but not for people like her who wish to learn it conversational style with other ASL users.
  • A deaf adult who uses cued English reports on his love of flying the blue skies and working for an airline.
  • An HOH adult is comfortable about saying his first language is spoken English and reports about medical advances to cure deafness.  He’s roundly vilified by Deaf culture and ASL users for his views.
  • A born profoundly deaf oral adult whose first language is also spoken English comments and blogs  on the deaf blogosphere betwixt ASL/Deaf culture supporters and oral cochlear implantees.
  • A deaf C.I. adult who had a mainstream education and is attending a mainstream college without interpreters resists online “demands” to learn ASL and wants to learn another language besides the French she’s fluent in.  She starts a new aggregator in her spare time for C.I.-related and other deaf blogs.
  • An American hearing parent reports on the trials and rewards of raising a deaf C.I. son and a hearing daughter in Italy.  She starts a resource website for Italian parents with deaf children.

Almost all of us readers will recognize several online b/vloggers here.  I just named a few instances to illustrate some examples and left out the names of the innocent.  There are many others as well, and it’s not my intention to leave out some individuals but my blog won’t be able to contain ’em all.  There are d/Deaf minorities we rarely hear about online, and unfortunately I have to add a caveat that this sample of d/Deaf people, along with one hearing blogger, is primarily White and mostly heterosexual, with two or three exceptions.

What do these d/Deaf people have in common?

They’re Deaf culture taboo-breakers or outright “out” as far as Deaf culture goes.  They “spoke” up and discussed their lives, warts ‘n all.

They’re also re-defining deaf life.


“Deaf Studies also need to engage rigorously with all disciplines that allow us to study how deaf people live in the world.  Thus, along with elaboration of new understandings of audism and other forms of privilege, and along with new lines of inquiry about the variety of ways to be deaf, issues with interdisciplinary study in Deaf Studies form an area for future exploration and research.”

Fernandes and Myers, “Inclusive Deaf Studies: Barriers and Pathways”, Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education, July 28, 2009.

“Those deaf people are ambivalent toward their languages, ASL and English, and their cultures, Deaf and American mainstream. They feel they must choose one over another. They believe that if they embrace ASL and Deaf culture, they must give up English and American mainstream culture or vice versa. Deaf people in America face a competition between two languages and two cultures. Once we understand why this happens in the Deaf community, we begin to break away from old definitions of ourselves. If we succeed, we experience a paradigm shift.”

Barbara Kannapell, “Power Structure in the Deaf Community”, from Deaf Studies III: Bridging Cultures in the 21st Century, Conference Proceedings, 1993.


40 Responses to “deaf Life: Blazing New Trails”

  1. MM Says:

    I believe most ‘die-hard’ ASL/BSL cultural people feel forced to consolidate, and drives for academic acceptances etc are part of the message. Deafhood has played a major part in giving some deaf a cause celeb they hadn’t before, despite few really having any idea what it is supposed to mean….. and Americans doing their own version according to Fernandez ! Prior to that and we still get it occasionally, someone reverts back to Milan. It is because the changes are enabling deaf with more choices, in reality the deaf themselves are changing the face of deaf culture. It is too easy to suggest that others are forcing these changes.

    ‘Community’ cannot be defined any more, deafness is no longer the absolute guide, and language communication and CI’s et all have all contributed to that. Culture has a new defintion, maybe being challenged as viable…. If that view was put forward as per the facts they are, and not just Fernandez targeting the die-hards and labeling all deaf the same, then it might contribute less to the campaigns to make some ‘last stand’ against what is progress.

    In effect these ‘attacks’ stimulate defense, encourage purism, elitism and ASL-only areas and institutions to go forward, which can only serve to an ‘us versus them’ stance. No two deaf people have ever been the same, they never will be. Personally I don’t subscribe to the capitalization of deaf either, who needs it ? There is unhealthy obsession with labels. WHy can’t all deaf just accept each other and not just pay lip-service to it, while they go off into their own areas….

  2. Karen Mayes Says:


    My son will get a CI in a few months and he prefers speaking/listening over signing (he signs mostly at home and with deaf friends when he sees them) and is thriving very well in mainstream setting. My daughter is doing very well in mainstream setting also, preferring to use SimCom… in Indiana where there is a “world class” deaf school (which is not by the way.) And both are 5th generation carrying genes that causes deafness, especially after birth (not during the gestation… the kind of gene that makes people “late deafened”.)

    It’s just a matter of being able to meet children’s needs…

    So I am glad to be part of a group who “re-define” the deaf life, trailblazing it, etc. ;o)

  3. Gamas Says:

    Trail blazers, eh?

    Some have true burning desire to see “unity” happen.

    The true intentions of some of these trail blazers may never be known. 😉 I’m saying this because I do see certain people promoting certain things and getting upset when someone in their circle promoting other approaches.

    Yet, I think most of us just want to see bigger and better things happening for deaf people of all walks of life. We all share one thing in common, and that is our hearing loss. Whatever approach one makes should not define us, nor should it demean any other approach. People should stick to promoting their beliefs without putting others down.

    Some people take things too personal and view certain message to be “haughtiness,” yet if we take the time to understand that our beliefs are usually based on what we know, then it should not be that hard to understand why there are many ways to be deaf.

    The question now, is: Why aren’t these “trail blazers” forming a coalition to promote unity? 😉

    I’m game, are you?

  4. Dianrez Says:

    Gamas, the “trail blazers” happen to be the majority in the d/Deaf community, why should they come out and carry placards? As a matter of fact, many are active in the Deaf organizations such as NAD, ADA and DBC. Separatism with these organization has never been a goal; rather, it is unity around an objective.

    Examples in the past: accessibility in television programming, captioned films, right to drive, right to telephone access. Now it’s advocacy and lobbying in government, addition of ASL to the deaf infant curriculum and public awareness of how audism affects all of us.

    I sometimes get the feeling that DODs are being blamed for a lot of the oppression, elitism and overcontrol in the community. Since they are in the extreme minority (1 in 10 deaf people) I think that’s overstating the case.

    As for choosing between English/oralism and cultural ASL, that has never come up in my life. These skills simply became added to one’s whole being as life goes on. Why choose? Might as well limit oneself to using only a Phillips screwdriver despite having a full and varied toolbox.

    Fernandes is stating the obvious; Kanapell is describing the confused ones among us who feel pulled by the oral establishment and their hearing families on one side and a desire for acceptance in their Deaf communities. I used to be in that confused group and found that life experiences teaches that one can be members of both.

    Making the DOD a bugaboo in the community is hilarious. However, making AGBell a bugaboo is comes a little closer to reality

  5. Gamas Says:


    It’s your view that you see things the way you do.

    I grew up in the deaf community, as such, would not call the majority d/D a trail blazer. They’re followers of the so called deaf hierarchy system that is out there, in most cases. DOD – Minority or not, they are the status quo in the deaf community.

    These trail blazers (above), not “your” trail blazers want nothing more than having deaf people accepting all deaf people for who they are.

    Many are active? Pray, Tell, WHO are these “many” that are active in these organizations that you have mentioned? 🙂

    NAD is a joke. ADA isn’t even an organization and DBC, well…you know the drill.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    Bravo, Ann_C! I could not have said it better myself. It’s ironic that in the Bay Area, a well-known DOD was nominated as a finalist for the Purple Trailblazers Awards. While I don’t begrudge this individual her recognition — she has accomplished a lifetime’s worth of achievements — but in recent years, she seems to have become one of those more exclusive DoD who actively rejects diversity in communication choices, especially CIs and oralism, and is often hostile towards hearing people. “Trailblazer” — well, maybe in the past, but certainly not now.

  7. Karen Mayes Says:

    That’s why my husband is getting involved in a certain organization which BELIEVES that NO one size fits ALL deaf children… believes in accepting ALL walks of deaf people. One can easily see the deaf hierarchy in DVTV and even deafhood lecturers make no secrets of being anti-CI technology which is embraced by more and more people nowadays.

    We are really for accepting ALL deaf people… we believe in respect. If one prefers talking over signing, great. Signing over talking, great. Cued speech more preferable than ASL? Great. As long as any communication method works, helping them to succeed in schools. It’s a matter of being able to meet the child’s needs… socially, emotionally, and academically.

  8. ireflections09 Says:


    I grant you that discrimination against the d/Deaf by the hearing is a much bigger issue, we all face some kind of marginalization whether we’re deaf or Deaf. True, many d/Deaf are members of deaf organizations. But there are members who feel that their organizations don’t do enough advocacy or the right type of advocacy (NAD is one example).

    The DOD’s may be an extremely small minority, but why is it that d/Deaf people have had problems interacting with some of them? Why do some DODs themselves feel restrictions and insularity among their own? Some people prefer to sweep these kind of things under the rug and that’s a form of denial. Deaf culture can be a warm community and for those deaf encountering it for the first time describe it as an eye-opener. But some DODs can make it unwelcoming and such behavior is glaringly obvious in a small community.

    Today there are a number of communication modalities for the d/Deaf. American Sign Language is one of those options but it is no longer the “gold standard”. There are more than one way to communicate and there are more than one way to live a deaf life, and deaf people are proving it every day. The fact that many d/Deaf achieve many things well bespeaks their determination and exceptionality in a world that is predominantly hearing. Ya know the maxim, “Rules are made to be broken”? Exactly.


  9. Gamas Says:

    A good example of deaf hierarchy can be seen at It is evidence that diversity is not the name of the game over there. Look at the latest video by ASLleslie regarding whether CI is successful or not and notice how Russell E got attacked for trying to explain some facts. That’s a perfect example of the lack of diversity and acceptance of people’s choice when it comes to their deafness. What really compounds it even more are the myths surrounding the topic at hand. You would think that deaf people would focus on topics that enhance their lives rather than bicker about something that is so old and already proven to be working. While the deaf people get into things that keeps them stunted, science and technology is growing at a faster rate. Best logical approach would suggest that deaf people would do well to increase awareness and acceptance of the diverse deaf people and focus on things that helps us all. No united effort. Fall, they will. 😉

  10. kim Says:

    You left out two organizations that do much work for the deaf and Deaf– HLAA and ALDA.

    Both orgs embrace ALL deaf/Deaf no matter how they choose to communicate, though admittedly the majority of deaf in these orgs are oral. Some do choose ASL, Simcom or Pidgin Sign. All are accepted.

    The past couple years I have been exploring my deaf side, trying to find a footing so to speak. It’s common to have an identity crisis as one loses hearing. I am truly between two worlds– a hearing person who doesn’t hear, a deaf person who doesn’t sign (not fluently anyway). Sadly, between the two extremes I have found more acceptance and support among the hearing and other oral deaf.

    Generally the Deaf do not reach out to those in crisis and turn a blind eye to requests for help. I don’t wish to generalize as I realize DeafRead and DVTV do not reflect the entire Deaf community, but I do have to say I have found many contributors to this venue to be angry, bitter, petty and selfish. I don’t clump you personally with the rest, and in fact there are many Deaf ppl I like in DeafRead. But the others seem to drown out the goodness I initially felt towards the Deaf community.

    I have personally had many more negative experiences with the Deaf in here over the past two years than I’ve had with the hearing in a lifetime. Luckily I personally know Deaf ppl who are much kinder in spirit.

    But I will not mince words. Because of my experiences with the Deaf community in HERE, I have come to realize I want no part of the Deaf community. In some ways I’m thankful, as I have now been able to make the decision to be implanted when the time is right.

    Over the past few months I have seriously thought of removing my blog from DeafRead. I rarely read any of the posts in here anymore, and I definitely don’t bother with DVTV. My only reason for remaining is a hope that I may offer support to other late-deafened who stumble into DeafRead. I can point the way toward other deaf groups with more positive, empowering, supportive agendas.

  11. kim Says:

    I have to say this was a very powerful post! And you hardly scratched the surface of the problem. I could have named at least ten more instances of intolerance toward the oral deaf. I have personally felt the sting, and no longer wish to be part of this Deaf community.

  12. Karen Mayes Says:

    Kim… I concur with you, that Ann wrote a very powerful blog. There are MANY deaf people who are successful and they are not in either DeafRead or DVTV. I am sorry that Kim finds the deaf culture not to her taste, due to a few extremists’ anti-hearing sentiments. Kim, these people don’t represent the majority of us, believe me.

    Have a good day… just remember the anti-hearing “D”eaf people don’t represent us.

  13. kim Says:

    Hi Karen,
    If you had read my earlier comment to Dianrez, you would have understood that I was only referring to the DeafRead community, not the entire Deaf community. :-). Yes– I know Deaf ppl in person and on the web who are incredibly kind and open-minded. DeafRead is very different from the earlier Deaf Read I joined. I notice that many Deaf like DP have left. There was a well-roundedness to it, when Rachel’s blog was part of DeafRead too. There used to be a blog with a number of intellectual Deaf writers– can’t remember the name now– but they were smart, savvy, witty and always posted something that generated lots of discussion. They haven’t posted in over a year. DeafRead has become a constant stream of drivel.

  14. Dianrez Says:

    Kim, to close off any resources or friends in the Deaf community to yourself because of a few rude people would be unfortunate. As Karen said, “the anti-hearing “D”eaf people don’t represent us.”

    I’ve met these rude people and know what you mean. One, with a Ph.D. in linguistics, even criticized me for using a hearing word: “accent” when asking about ASL during a symposium gathering. Another one calls me hearing-in-the-head. Does this turn me off ASL or DoD’s like her? Does this make me label all DoD’s as xenophobic? No. Because I know hundreds of other Deaf people including DoD’s who are great people, and I prefer ASL in everyday life.

    Keep associating with all Deaf people (as well as those within your own circles) and using ASL until these bonds grow. ASL is key, and so is attitude. The snobs are fortunately rare and may have feelings of unresolved anger or inadequacy.

  15. Dianrez Says:

    Oh, Kim, I hadn’t caught the latest posting when sending mine. Yes, we’ve lost a few good Deaf writers on DeafRead and gained a few more by the way. Rachel’s blog was dropped because of implications of commercial intent, but we have a multiplicity of CI-centered blogs to replace that. (Maybe we should encourage more Deaf-centered blogs as that seems to be going down.) As for drivel, can you point out the blogs that meet this definition? Just curious.

  16. ireflections09 Says:


    I understand how you feel, but like Dianrez and Karen have pointed out, there are some really great Deaf people in personal life worth keeping as friends. I would try to keep in mind that the internet is far removed from real life, that online views tend to be more polarized than face-to-face encounters unfortunately. The fact that blogging/ commenting is “faceless” allows debate among anonymous faces as well as anonymous names, which embolden some people to say things they normally wouldn’t in face-to-face situations. Additionally, many bloggers and commenters don’t know each other at all or not very well.

    I agree that the level of discourse in DR and DVTV has gone downhill. There isn’t much in the way of intellectual discussion perhaps because the subjects of blogs here have to be deaf-related, which can turn into something of a vicious circle. We’re all much more than our deafness and can discuss other things that impact our lives. I had enjoyed your blogs about yoga and your djemba drumming, for examples. I really do wish DR would re-consider their policy.

  17. Paotie Says:

    Dianrez ..

    You said: “Rachel’s blog was dropped because of implications of commercial intent.”

    That is incorrect. Rachel was BANNED or EXILED (using DR EDITORS’ words) because DeafRead owners are prejudiced against Rachel and AVT. The fact you added the statement that, “a multiplicity of CI-centered blogs” replaced Rachel begs the question: why’d you complain recently that those same CI-centered blogs were “too enthusiastic” and caused you to confess that you are AN EXTREMIST and like to post drivel-driven crap like, “ENOUGH WITH THE CI BLOGS!”?

    And since you’re speaking on behalf of DeafRead, simple inference suggests that ALL the DR Editors – like you – are EXTREMISTS and were prejudiced against Rachel because she was “too enthusiastic” about her life with CIs.

    Either way you cut it, it is a FACT that DeafRead Editors have fudged and budged and nudged their own stupid rules and guidelines to suit their own purposes. It is a FACT that those same rules and guidelines were modified/reinterpreted specifically for the purpose of BANNING or EXILING Rachel.



    I’d tell you what has “dropped” but then that would involve your intelligence, so I shall not state more.



  18. Karen Mayes Says:

    I know, Kim. I even stopped leaving videocomments in DVTV, because things have a way of becoming vicious over there… it’s like wolves eating wolves world there. :o( A few brave souls… such as Barry, Russell, Darro, etc… are paving the way in DVTV and they are deeply resented. I don’t know what to say. I agree with Ann… Tayler needs to look at the emotional and maturity level of DR and DVTV, but there is a need for freedom of speech. The key word is respect, which is largely missing in DVTV.

    We all have our lives outside of cyberspace… we all need to remember that cyberspace is just an illusion, filled with opinions which are just… opinions.

  19. Dianrez Says:

    Paotie, I’m surprised at you. The language you use is not welcoming to respondents and your interpretation of my blog is far from what I said. Does one wonder why writers have left DR? Does Ann C approve of your tone on her blog?

  20. Karen Mayes Says:

    Paotie is correct. Rachel was banned and JP even came out and apologized to Rachel after he resigned from the position as human editor, if I remember correctly.

  21. ireflections09 Says:


    It is true that there are many successful deaf people and they are not b/vlogging or commenting on DR or DVTV. Perhaps it’s that the aggregator is too concentrated on d/Deaf subjects and the level of discourse tends to degenerate, when the jealousy factor kicks in. People tend to forget that each deaf person is speaking from life experiences and his view is just as valid as another’s, no matter how different it may be.

    You’re comfortable enough in your own skin to be able to think outside of the box. Same goes for the trailblazers who dare to talk about subjects that a lot of d/Deaf people prefer not to be discussed in the community. Not that there are a lot of people who want to “listen”, but if one keeps at it, some will start to see that your view is just as valid. Takes a thick skin and a lot of persistence. 🙂

    Wishing your son’s CI journey will be a good ride, BTW.

  22. Karen Mayes Says:

    Oh thanks, Ann. His CI surgery is scheduled in October and we are waiting on the approval from our health insurance now…

    Take care.

  23. ireflections09 Says:

    It is true that Rachel’s blog was banned from DR because the editors, in their words, believed her blog reflected “commercial interest”. She was actually banned because she is a cochlear implantee and advocates AVT, which ran counter to the hysteria in DR at the time about CI blogs taking over DR, when actually there were not that many. Her blog happened to be the most prominent CI blog and it did stimulate a lot of discussions on DR. JJ Puorro confirmed this and issued an apology to Rachel in his blog after he resigned as a DR editor.

    The good thing that came out of this mess was that Rachel herself continued to blaze a trail for oral CI persons by establishing a separate aggregator for her blog and those CI blogs that irritated one too many Deaf editors in DR.

    Paotie is correct about the fact that Rachel’s blog was banned and for ulterior motives. We all know that Paotie doesn’t go around soft-pedaling his views, dianrez.

    I ask for some civility here folks, thanks.

  24. Dianrez Says:

    Personal attacks shouldn’t be in any forum. They are tiresome, discouraging and makes it not rewarding to contribute to the discussion.

  25. Gamas Says:


    There’s no personal attacks here, granted, Paotie called you on your comment, in no way was it a personal attack. What you said wasn’t the truth. Simple as that.

    I also laughed when I saw your comments. I mean to this day, I cannot detect any commercial intent on Rachel’s blog. If I had a particular brand of hearing aid that I LOVE, I might rant about it to no end, it ain’t a commercial intent. How about if I blog about JEEP because I think it is the BEST vehicle all around, I won’t get paid for giving free advertisement, yet I’m a loyal JEEP owner, it aint’ a commercial intent either. It’s pure paranoia and discrimination, at best.

    Her blog has a wealth of information that dispels any myths that one may have about Cochlear Implants. Not only that, if one were to surf at other CI blogs, you will find many things being said that validates what Rachel says on her blog post, including her co-blogger, Elizabeth.

    As if things should be ok because many other CI blogs have “taken over” and that should compensate for the errors of Deaf Read Editors? nah, I don’t think so.

    I have had many conversations with many of my deaf friends, may they be doh or dod. I do my part to dispel any myths about Cochlear Implants and surprisingly, I find more that agrees with me simply on the facts alone. If anything, we need to band together to educate others that do not know the facts. FACTS being that the information garnered from the very people that actually HAVE the implants. That aside, there really isn’t any need for all the division if we all just accept everyone and their choices.

  26. ireflections09 Says:

    Exactly, Gamas, I believe it was Sam Spritzer who raved over Advanced Bionics in his blog and nobody batted an eye over that. Rachel’s blog got picked because hers was the most prominent CI blog on DR and I do believe that DR editors were trying to make an example out of her blog, to send a message of intolerance to other CI bloggers on DR.

    Interesting that some Deaf people don’t go to check out the facts directly from the horse’s mouth and choose instead to believe in the CI myths that get circulated by others who do the same exact thing. Just mindless thinking.

    Today’s CI technology has gotten much better and parental involvement in the child’s therapy, be it AVT only or some combo of speech therapy and ASL, is a major factor in the child’s success with the CI. In the case of an adult with a CI, it is the motivation level that makes or breaks CI success. Rachel and Elizabeth have emphasized this factor in their CI blog.

    Wait ’til stem cell treatments start in this country and reach a critical mass of success…the mythmaking in some Deaf circles will probably reach hyperbole by then.

    Interesting how success breeds contempt.


  27. Gamas Says:

    Take a look at Deaf Village, do you see any commercialization there? Take a look at Deaf Read, do you? 😉

    Need I say more?

  28. Dianrez Says:

    If you had read my responses on other blogs, you’d realize that I am no extremist, as Paotie called me. He also implied my intelligence had dropped, another personal attack. My blog that he referred to was actually a plea to move away from the medical aspects and focus on the appreciation of d/Deaf people for what they are.

    I felt labeled into a corner that I don’t belong in, and inappropriately put on the defensive. Oddly, despite what you said, Gamas, I was on Rachel’s side in the DR “booting” her off (see past blog on that). DR has also banned DoDs and HOH for, shall we say, nonconciliatory remarks. so it wasn’t one-sided.

  29. Gamas Says:


    your plea to move away from the medical aspects and focus on the appreciation of deaf people as you said, really amounts to discrimination. Don’t feel cornered as I’m not trying to corner you at all.

    Many of these bloggers started to blog on the basis of sharing their experience with the amazing technology that has enabled them to make their lives fuller. It’s not to say that being deaf and not opting for any technology would make their lives any less fuller. To each, their own.

    It would be nice if we had more bloggers that blogged about how being involved with Bi Bi really enhances their lives.

    What we are seeing are the extremist putting down deaf people that do not fit their ideal mold of how to be deaf. Do we see cochlear implantees putting down deaf people that signs? By opting for one approach over the other is a matter of choice and preference and should not be interpreted as a put down for the other choices that are out there.

    You also said you took Rachel’s side, yet it contradicts with your statement that you made above

    “Rachel’s blog was dropped because of implications of commercial intent, but we have a multiplicity of CI-centered blogs to replace that.”

    If you took her side, you would have worded your comment differently.

    And as for other bloggers that were banned for non-conciliatory remarks, that’s no comparison to what happened to Rachel. We know how DR tends to change rules as they go along just to suit their purposes, whatever they may be.

    Heading back into my hiatus of some sort. 😉

  30. kim Says:

    Hi Dianrez,
    I won’t name the blogs I don’t like. They aren’t the problem. I realize not everyone blogs for my personal entertainment. The problem is what’s NOT here in DR anymore. They aren’t here because they were essentially run off by Deaf militants and the DR human editors.

    Ann–I tried to make it clear that I was speaking about DeafRead and not Deaf ppl in general. I do know some lovely Deaf ppl personally here in Washington, and there are more than a few Deaf ppl I’ve enjoyed talking to in Deaf Read, as well. I understand that the Deaf militants do not represent all Deaf ppl, however as I previously said, the militant presence in Deaf Read has become so strong and negative that I find little in DR that interests me anymore.

  31. kim Says:

    You said,’Interesting how success breeds contempt.” All the moaning and groaning over the CI is a transparent indicator that THOSE Deaf ppl aren’t happy with their Deaf lives. Happy ppl aren’t into whining and put-downs.

  32. ireflections09 Says:


    You made a keen observation that “happy ppl aren’t into whining and put-downs”.

    For example, I was born profoundly deaf, wear one hearing aid, and use spoken English as my primary language. I’m happy in my skin and ain’t nobody gonna tell me that I’m not.

    Just as I wouldn’t go tell somebody who is a member of Deaf culture and loves ASL that he/ she ought to be oral or go CI-borg because that would make him/ her happy and complete, that is, “hearing”.


    So why is it that some Deaf people are continually carping on those deaf who choose to hear and speak that they are not happy and complete, that is, capital D as in Deaf, if they’re not a member of Deaf culture and don’t use ASL?


  33. White Ghost Says:

    Darn! I missed the blistery party right here!

    Dianrez……your’e awfully wrong about Rachel’s infamous expelled due to the commericial intent. Once Rachel announced that she was expelled from DR by the DR editors for a particular reason…..CI commercial in which she now involves. Many bloggers objected, protested and angrily disclosed that they were involved some both CI organizations and activities.

    Then what…..DR editors did do nothing! They changed the guidelines much later. All of a sudden, DR Guidelines didn’t work pretty well. Yes, I recalled that they failed to reach the new DR guidelines. Many bloggers are still using the commercial. Therefore, DR editors failed to meet the DR guidelines. Successful? Nah.

    Right now, I think the DR is pretty quiet overall.

    Paotie! I want a chocolate fudge bar from Wonka! Write a poem….nudge, budge and fudge!

  34. kim Says:

    That’s exactly what I meant. The very act of putting others down is motivated by the need to elevate one’s self. If you’re happy or secure in your own space, you don’t need to elevate yourself by resorting to a put-down. Moreover, a put down does not add weight to your opinion. It is designed to make the other person angry. Why would you want to make the other person angry? Because YOU are angry. (not you personally, I’m using the royal you.) Why are YOU angry? Because inside you know the other person could be right. The only appropriate response when you disagree with someone or when you’re making a case is to state your opinion and reasons for the conclusion you came to. If you can only back up your opinion by insulting the other person, then you don’t have much of an argument.

    Here’s an example.
    Person A– CI’s are bad.
    Person B– I love my CI.
    Person A– You’re stupid.
    Person B– YOU’RE stupid.
    Person A — Youre so stupid you don’t even know.
    Person B — You’ve always been stupid and you will always be stupid forever. . .

    Next example–
    Person A– CI’s are bad. The surgery is unsafe.
    Person B — I love my CI. The surgery is safe. Thousands of people have benefitted from the CI.
    Person A– People have gotten meningitis from the operation.
    Person B– They give a meningitis immunization before the surgery to prevent that.
    Person A– No surgery is completely safe. There’s always risk involved. And the CI might not work anyway.
    Person B– That’s true, but there’s risk in everything. You could be hit by a car because you can’t hear.
    Person A — I’m not willing to take the risk. I am very careful around cars. I can sign well and I’m happy with my life as is.
    Person B — There are so many things I want to do in life that involve hearing. I don’t sign well and no one in my family signs.
    Person A — What things can’t you do that you would like to do?
    Person B — I have trouble at work, and none of my friends sign.
    Person A — I’ll help you learn to sign. You might be much happier if you could sign.
    Person B– Thanks, but I still want to get a CI so I can hear better.
    Person A — That’s your choice, but I’ll be glad to help you learn ASL. Even with the CI you’ll still be deaf.
    Person B — You’re right. Maybe I should learn ASL too.
    Person A — It would help a lot. You’d meet more Deaf ppl. You might even be able to find a job where you could be employed by Deaf ppl.
    Person B — WOW. I never thought of that. To tell the truth I find the CI operation a little frightening.

  35. kim Says:

    LOL– I accidentally hit send before I was ready and just realize my person B morphed from someone who had a CI to someone who was interested, but anyway– the difference between exchange of info and exchage of insults is clear. Second conversation far more productive. I wish I could always be like that, but I get angry too, mostly when I feel I’m being disrespected.

  36. White Ghost Says:

    Oooooopppps! I should have added many plurals on commercial(S)!!!!

    I just came back and got pooped from the cleanest and hottest cay!

    Whew…..S’cuse me……

    Kim—yeah, LOL. That’s how it works in the court system….too many exhibits.

  37. ireflections09 Says:

    Say hey, WG, thot Ben V. was Willie Wonka. 😉

    “Fudged, budged, and nudged”, lovely rhyme to that, Paotie. How about I nudge ya to budge some fudge for WG by post?

  38. ireflections09 Says:

    To the Anonymous above (@ #6 post),

    Lol, I hadn’t read about Purple’s Dream Bigger awards to Trailblazers til you mentioned something about it in your post. So I went to the back pages of DR to find where Trailblazers awards were, and discovered the article pertaining to it. Tayler is also mentioned as a finalist.

    The title of my blog came to me after reading the Fernandes and Myers article, referenced above, in Amy Cohen Efron’s blog.

    Odd serendipity, this use of “trailblazers”. :0


  39. gamas Says:


    I should have subscribed to comment feed, but I don’t think you have em.

    As for Purple’s Trailblazers, one wonders how these people’s name got into the finalist in the first place. At one point there was a vote online then all of a sudden they all are “honored’ at their local area by Purple. Not sure how it works, but Ashley Fiosk is one of the finalist and I think she should win. Not Ella and definitely not Talyer. So, you didn’t know about this trail blazer from Purple, things happens for a reason, ya know. 🙂 Now, Purple does not give a shit about these trail blazers, that much I can tell you. They are ELATED that many people that showed up ordered their P3 notebook. It’s a computer that is fitted with a video phone software and costs only a fraction of what you would get when buying a mini netbook out there. Not sure about the specs. but, it ain’t no MAC.

    VRS industry is going to be the downfall of the deaf community in the years to come. It reveals the nasty selfish, untransparent part of the deaf culture. Vultures galore out there. 😉 I am one of the OS for one of the company and I am seeing a lot of things that makes me favor stronger FCC regulations in this area.

  40. gamas Says:

    Ahh, you do have comment feed! I hate small prints! :p

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